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R K Pachauri: Carrying 6 billion hopes

Dr. RK Pachauri, the Chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is leading the international campaign against Climate Change for his services to the environment he has recently been awarded the second-highest civilian award in India, the 'Padma Vibhushan' as well as the Padma Bhushan. The NDTV Global Indian Award, 2007, the "Jawaharlal Nehru Birth Centenary Award"- 2006, 'officer De La Legion D'Honneur' from the Government of France and last but not the least the Nobel Peace Prize for the year 2007 was awarded to the IPCC under his Chairmanship. In a candid discussion Dr. Pachauri reveals the dangers Climate Change poses, his message to the youth and world leaders before the make or break Copenhagen summit.

Interview by Amisha Shahra, Rishad Adbraham and Jeh Tirodkar

Sir, today you have achieved global recognition in your efforts against climate change, what inspired you to take up this cause?
Well I think what really inspired me is foreseeing the kind of disaster we were heading towards unless we took some action on time. So, it was just basically awareness of the path we are on and where it might end up if we didn’t take any action. It was really conviction that came out of what one might call awareness of the future and what it held for us if we did not take any action.

Next month the Copenhagen Conference is taking place, how much can we actually expect from this conference?
Well frankly it does not look very good at this point of time but I am hoping that even now we may be able to come up with a reasonably good agreement which will show some progress in the right direction. Honestly I am getting quite concerned about the possibility of not reaching any finality in terms of commitments to reduce emissions, of commitments to provide funding for the developing countries and easy access to technology, all of which is on the table as a part of the negotiations. So, at this point of time things don’t look all that bright but I hope that there will be some initiative as a result of which we will get some measure of success over there.

Sir, there has been an abject failure of political leadership in making nations world over climate resilient. What steps would you like to see being taken by leaders at Copenhagen?
I think the developed countries have to make firm commitments to reduce the emissions by 2020; more or less in line with what Europe has projected. Unless we do that I am afraid we are not going to get any action at all and we are losing time. The IPCC has clearly stated that if we want to limit the temperature increase by about two degrees Celsius, then we need to make sure that global emissions peak no later than 2015. Therefore we have very little time. And if we don’t get any strong commitments to reduce emissions by the time the Copenhagen Conference ends, then clearly we would have lost momentum.

Sir, why do you think that the problem of climate change is not being taken seriously by a number of leaders and Nations, given the fact that with the Fourth Assessment report, it has been made clear that Climate Change is detrimental to the future of the Earth?
See part of the problem is that people have such wasteful lifestyles and have become so accustomed to them that they see climate change as a threat to their wasteful lifestyles which they incidentally regard as “a good life”. It’s also an issue of values and ethics and even if I may say so, there are some vested interests that would like to see no action because they believe that their business and their financial successes depend on continuation of business as usual. So it is a combination of all these factors which is unfortunately creating the kind of deadlock we have.

Climate change has been a heated debate for a long time. With the best selling author Michael Crichton saying that it is an evil plot planned by environmental extremists. So really how big or small is global warming?
If you look at the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report, you will see how serious it is. And there is growing evidence to even someone who is not aware and facing extreme events that have been taking place all over the world. Changes in climate patterns are becoming more and more evident. So it is clearly a very serious problem and I believe that it carries a threat of really disrupting peace and stability on this planet unless we act early and effectively.

The Bush administration’s non cooperation in countering Climate Change must have caused major delays.
Well you know to be quite honest, in the US it is not merely the administration but there are several other vested interests that are at work even today. You know that even the Obama administration is generally supportive of action in this area but they are not really being able to move because they are stuck with legislation in Congress. There’s a whole array of lobbyists who are paid huge sums of money to counter legislations. These vested interests are unfortunately holding up progress in this area.

If India does not combat climate change till the United States acts on the issue; don’t you think that the situation will become detrimental to the future of India?
Unless you have a global solution, then any one country acting on its own is not going to make a difference. We know that we have to cut down global emissions and if India was to do the utmost and others did nothing, it would still produce no results. So I’m afraid, we really have no time and we have to make sure that the whole World acts in unison as far as this problem is concerned. Of course India has to do what it is capable of, but I am afraid that by itself it will not be adequate. We really need a global effort that will bring about a major cut in global emissions. We also need to provide funds for the poorest countries who are going to be the worst victims of climate change.

Do you agree that both mitigation and adaptation should be carried out in our own national self interest, given that India is so vulnerable to Climate Change?
We need both, there is no question about it. One cannot go without the other because you see there is so much inertia in the system that even if we reduce our emissions to zero today climate change will continue for a few decades and we will have no choice but adapt to certain level of climate change. But, of course, we have to mitigate. Unless we carry out mitigation urgently and adequately, climate change will be much worse over a period of time. So we really don’t have a choice, we’ve got to do both.

We as civilians are mute spectators to the watering down of important policies like Coastal Regulatory Zone and Environment impact assessment. What in your opinion can be done to put pressure on the government to bring about more stringent policies?
I think the most important thing that we need to do is to ensure that the enforcement of some of these policies has to be essentially in the hands of local bodies. These local bodies must be accountable to civil society, perhaps a group of really distinguished and respected people in every local area. They should function transparently. In order to create accountability, you have to have people reporting to the local authority and that local authority has to be empowered, has to be transparent in its operations and therefore much more effective than would be the case if you have a bureaucratic system which is centrally driven. I think we need complete restructuring of the way institutions function in this field. There has to be much greater accountability at the local level.

Sir what is the relationship you share with Al Gore, the man with whom the IPCC shared its Nobel Prize and who had differences with you earlier?
Well we are good friends and I have a lot of respect for former Vice President Al Gore and I think he has a positive feeling about me and we work together.

Sir in your address to the United Nations General Assembly you stated that limiting temperature increase to 2 degrees Celsius will postpone economic growth by a few months. Today with economists not being able to analyse the world economy correctly, how is your organisation confident about this fact?
Well I am not even making any assumptions on economic growth. All I am saying is that the actions that are required to reduce emissions are really so attractive in economic terms that in several cases it is going to involve negative costs. In other words, you would have a net gain rather than a net cost in taking those actions and I can give you several examples like changing incandescent lamps in your homes with CFLs (Compact Fluorescent Lamps) or LED (Light Emitting Diode) systems, using modern air conditioning and much greater use of public transport because cars are usually running with one single occupant. So you know, all of these actually save money and therefore if you want to add up all the benefits from higher energy efficiency, greater use of renewable resources, you would actually be able to compute the cost which in real terms would turn out to be negative. I am not even making assumptions about economy growth, all I am saying is that if you were to bring about a shift and adopt these measures, you would actually save money. You are doing this because it is not only better for everyone around and you are not doing it only because you want to solve the problem of global warming but you actually save money by taking these steps.

Sir there are a number of organisations against Climate Change, however other than being idealistic in their goals and producing reports, they do not do much. What can we as the youth do to Combat Climate Change?
Well I think there are 2 things that the youth of this world can do. Firstly, you have to join hands and create strength in whatever movements you are mounting because its one thing to act in isolation, its quite another to be able to act in unison. And secondly, I think you have to adopt and perpetuate lifestyles that are sustainable and you can do a great deal in your own daily personal existence. If you were to do that on a large enough scale, then adults will also get the message. The youth can shame adults into doing the right thing. So I believe the youth of this country and the rest of the world have a major responsibility for taking the initiative and bringing about change in the right direction.

Sir if we do not increase our efforts to combat Climate Change, what will be the state of this planet in 2050?
There would be chaos in several parts of the world. You would have sea level rise which will inundate parts of Bangladesh. You will have impacts on agriculture, on human health and a whole range of human activities as a result of which we would be suffering from a state chaos. So we must realise the seriousness of the situation and start taking action urgently.

With the Copenhagen summit approaching, what is your message to leaders and policymakers across the world?
Much of what I would say is what I said during the UN meeting on the 22nd of September. What I would tell world leaders is that even if you want to limit temperature increase to 2 degrees Celsius, you must accept the fact that 2015 is the period when global emissions must peak. Therefore it is essential that you come up with very clear actions and commitments targeted at 2020. I would also say that Copenhagen is critically important because if we miss this opportunity then all the momentum that we have achieved will be lost and we cannot afford to do that.